Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei argues we are just a few years from a 'country of geniuses in a data center.' In this wide-ranging conversation, he covers the RL scaling hypothesis, whether Anthropic is underinvesting in compute, US-China AI competition, and the economics of frontier labs. Amodei discusses what happens when AI systems surpass human-level performance across domains and how safety research must keep pace with capability advances. Essential current-state-of-the-field content for leaders and researchers.

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